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Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 12 Jun 91       Volume 91 : Issue 330

Today's Topics:
                           ADA for the ST?
                      GCC, the documentation...
                       Ghostscript fonts wanted
                    help printing postscript files
                How many MBytes would _you_ recommend?
           Info wanted about upgrading an SF354 to DSDD...
      Mint ? (Eric Smith to replace Bob Dobbs in character set)
                          MSA files (2 msgs)
                              Neo Desk 3
                    Opinions on some books needed
           Particle size analysis from pictures for ST/TT?
                             post failed
                             RAM upgrade
                             Rubber Bands
                             SED for ST?
           Z-RAM made my drive go nuts! WHY!!?? CORRECTION.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 10:48 GMT
From: "If there's a new way......I'll be the first in line!"
 <[e-mail]>
Subject: ADA for the ST?
To: INFO-ATARI16 <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:[e-mail]>

Can anyone tell me if ADA is available for the ST? If so could you please give
details of approximate cost (as cheap as possible I hope), where I can aquire
it from and minimum hardware requirements.

Thanks in advance,
                  Lee.

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Date: 12 Jun 91 12:42:04 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa![e-mail] (Earth Resources Mapping)
Subject: GCC, the documentation...
To: [e-mail]

I am just playing with GCC on the ST and find it great!
However, I dont know where to find the documentation for the stuff.
Is there a complete set of words for it - and if so where?

I would really like to find docs for all the functions.. printf()
and all the stuff.

The few docs that I have seen are in TEX format - that is not a lot
of help for the people out here whe love GCC but hate TEX!

Here's hoping
Clive

ps - please post any replies to the net as my account is off
at the moment and cannot, i think receive mail...
:w

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Date: 12 Jun 91 11:11:42 GMT
From:
 munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!batserver.cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@u
 unet.uu.net (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Subject: Ghostscript fonts wanted
To: [e-mail]

Can anyone tell me where to find PS fonts to use with Ghostscript. Only
Ugly font comes with the files from atari.archive - and boy, is it ugly!

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1991 16:37 N
From: [e-mail]
Subject: help printing postscript files
To: [e-mail]

Does someone now how i can print my postscipt files created with
spectre 3.0 on a laserwriter III printer with a postscript cardridge ??
This printer is only usable using ethernet.
I have send my files to the printer but it has not print a thing yet...
The postscript files are OK.

please help

Ron ten Have
[e-mail]

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Date: 12 Jun 91 12:31:07 GMT
From:
 munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au![e-mail]
 (Matthew Baker)
Subject: How many MBytes would _you_ recommend?
To: [e-mail]

From article <[e-mail]>, by [e-mail]
 (Marc Gumbold):
> In order to get all the nice stuff running, that is available
> nowadays for the ST (I own a good ol' 1986 520 ST+),
> how much memory would you recommend me to add to my 1 MB?

Recently, I did some horrible mangulations to my ST to put two 1MB SIPs
in it. Subsequently (now with 2.5MB) I have had no problems whatsoever
with memory. I use Gcc occasionally (but usually only on small code) -
gemini, Calamus, Uniterm, MicroEmacs etc - and (apart from trying to load
dozens of fonts into Calamus) have _never_ wished I had more memory.
I'd say that 2.5 is a reasonable point to go to. Not very expensive, either.

> ... Anything important I missed?

Apart from gemini? 8)

> I really like my ST for what it is, namely a good typewriter.
> But I would like to be able to do some decent C hackery at home
> and have my favourite tool (Emacs) around. I know the ST is slow,
> but I can live with that. I don't have the money to replace my
> ST with a state-of-the-art ?86 AT with some Unix.

I have an old 10MHz '286 running an elderly (2.1.1) Xenix that I use as a
'unix' machine... it does the job quite nicely... (faster than a Vax! 8)
(okay, okay, better response time :)

> Or does anyone think it's not worth it? Should I better throw
> my ST out of the window (e.g. keep on just using it as a
> typewriter-calendar-addressbook-videogame-terminal-thingy)?

Depends. If you have a hard disk, it's worth it. If not, best buy a new
system. (not being defeatist here... and I am basing this on _my_ experience
here in Oz with astronomical prices and all.

> Any comments welcome,

Mail bounced :(

> Marc

Matthew

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Date: 12 Jun 91 13:02:11 GMT
From: pmafire!uudell!fquest![e-mail] (Mark Spacek)
Subject: Info wanted about upgrading an SF354 to DSDD...
To: [e-mail]

    Just wondering if anyone out there has taken a DSDD drive and stuck
it in an SF354 and how it worked out.  It doesn't look like it would be
much harder than doing the same with the ST internal drive and I know
some guys who have done that.  But it probably will be a bit harder than
that, if not much.  To switch to a DSDD internal, I think you pretty much
just throw away the little interface board for the SSDD drive and stick
the DSDD in there.  There is a little board in the SF354 also, but I
kinda need to keep it for the DIN jacks.  It doesn't seem to do much,
just a couple jacks, small board with a little buffer chip on it and some
wires coming out the other end to and edge connector.  Anyway, I just
thought I would ask and find out if there might be more to it than I
think before I start messing with it.  Surely someone has done this
before, right?  Any help would be appreciated.  Sending it as E-Mail
rather than posting it here would be best, otherwise its possible that I
might not see it before it gets purged because of hard drive troubles on
this system.  Thanks....  Mark....

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Date: 12 Jun 91 16:06:05 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!udel!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.ed
 u![e-mail] (David M. Baggett)
Subject: Mint ? (Eric Smith to replace Bob Dobbs in character set)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Gymer)
 writes:
>Once you get [Mint] running, it _is_ great! (Perhaps someone would care to
>replace the piccy of Bob in the character set with one of Eric Smith? :-)

Here, here!  Don't forget that E. S. did the latest port of Nethack too!
But I think instead we should replace the Rainbow Fuji in the TOS 1.4
"About..." box with a "Rainbow Eric".  The Bob Dobbs characters have been
recently reserved by Atari UK for later use as box corners.  :-)
(Sorry Neil, I couldn't resist!)

Dave Baggett
[e-mail]

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Date: 12 Jun 91 11:07:46 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.
 mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!shamash!timbuk![e-mail] (Marc Bouron)
Subject: MSA files
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Erkamp)
 writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alan David
 Messer) writes:
> >Hi,
> >
> >     I know this has probably already been asked,but what do I have to do
> >to a '.MSA' file to get the demo to work?? I have whattaheck demo,but am
> >unable to use it because of this??
> >
> These are Magic Shadow Archive files. You need to get the dearchiver. I
 beleive
> it's at atari.archive.umich.edu in atari/archivers as SHADOW.LZH or
 SHADOW.ARC.
>
> Bob

I believe that MSA_141.LZH is the latest version at a.a.

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Date: 12 Jun 91 13:16:39 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu![e-mail] (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: MSA files
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan David
 Messer) writes:
>Hi,
>
>       I know this has probably already been asked,but what do I have to do
>to a '.MSA' file to get the demo to work?? I have whattaheck demo,but am
>unable to use it because of this??
>

You need a copy of Magic Shadow Archiver (MSA), which compresses an entire
disk into a (big) file, including formatting info.  It is on atari.archive,
probably under the name shadow.arc (in the archiver directory).
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Date: 12 Jun 91 13:13:01 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu![e-mail] (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Neo Desk 3
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (William Thomas
 Daugustine) writes:
>
>I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am
>just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty
>good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for
>someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it.
>
>Ill be running this on a 520ST, and two DS 3.5" floppys, and a colour
>monitor (no hard drive, or RAM expansion. _yet_)

This is the best $50 you can spend if you have a hard disk.  Without one,
it's utility is somewhat weakened (easy fix, get a hard drive!!).  The latest
version is 3.02.  If it turns out that you have 3.01 (which was the release
version), the patch program to upgrade it is available from atari.archive.

>PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out
>when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like
>to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking
>maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I
>see in the pinout.

There are several mono-emulators that are PD.  They do work most of the time,
but the screen quality is bleeech.  Get yourself a mono monitor.  It is one
of the best reasons to own an Atari ST!!  I could not live without mine (I
am thinking of buying an extra . .).  You can obtain a used one through the
net for about $80 (on a good day :-).

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Date: 12 Jun 91 13:03:23 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!gmuvax2![e-mail] (Steve Coile)
Subject: Opinions on some books needed
To: [e-mail]

My local Atari dealer is having a sale this week, and is advertising the fol-
lowing books:

Atari ST Technical Reference Guides, volumes 1, 2, and 3
The Atari ST Machine Language Book

Seeing as books on Atari internals are hard to come by (short of paying the
rediculous fee Atari charges for the developers package), I'm interested in
what these two books have to offer.  Has anyone read either of them?  If so,
what can you say about them?  Are they worth buying?

Please reply quickly, as the sale ends Saturday, and who knows if they'll have
'em after that.  For that matter, who knows how long they'll even be around...
*SIGH*  Thanks in advance for any advice!

Steve "Stevers!" Coile                      scoile@gmuvax[{.BITNET|[2].gmu.edu}]
            "Maturity is knowing when and where to act immature"

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 91 14:58
From: "Thomas Koenig"
 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Particle size analysis from pictures for ST/TT?
To: Info-Atari16 Discussion       <[e-mail]>

A friend of mine wants to do particle size analysis from microscopic
pictures taken through a CCD camera; being an Atarian, he'd prefer to
do the processing with a ST or TT.

For that, he needs
1) an interface for a CCD camera to transfer the pictures

2) picture processing software for counting and classifying particles
   according to area. Nice, but not necessary, would be
   classification according to circumference, longest and shortest
   diameter etc.  Of course, it should be possible to export the
   obtained data.

Any pointers would be welcome.

Thomas Koenig
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 91 15:08:14 BST
From: Chris Forker - Nav Arch- <[e-mail]>
Subject: post failed
To: chris

/usr/local/lib/nn6.4/aux: /usr/local/lib/news/inews: not found
/usr/local/lib/news/inews failed

Your response has been saved in

Your article/letter follows:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Rubber Bands
Summary: 'C' code to draw rubber bands
Keywords: Rubber Bands

A short while ago someone asked about drawing rubber bands. I did reply to one
 person but perhaps not the original poster. The following code may be of use to
 those who want to draw rubber bands . The code lacks eloquence but works for
 me.

           ---------------------- Cut Here ------------------------------

void drag_line(short mx[], short my[], short no_pts, int k_line,
               float scale)
{
short i,oldx,oldy,xloc,yloc1,yloc2,neg,xorg,yorg ;
short xw,yw,ww,hw ;
short mbx,mby ;
short mb1, mb,              /*  mouse button state  */
      ks ;                  /*  keyboard state  */
short pts[4] ;
char  message[5] ;          /*  v_pline x,y's  */
int   drop = FALSE ;

        oldx = 0 ;
        oldy = 0 ;

        vsl_type(screen_vhandle, SOLID) ;
        vsl_color(screen_vhandle, BLACK) ;
        vsl_width(screen_vhandle, 1) ;
        vsm_type(screen_vhandle, 4) ;
        vst_point(screen_vhandle, 6, &i, &i, &i, &i) ;
        vst_effects(screen_vhandle, 1) ;

        wind_get(windows[cur_win].handle, WF_CXYWH, &xw, &yw, &ww, &hw) ;

        wind_calc(WC_WORK, (NAME|CLOSE|MOVE), xw, yw, ww, hw,
              &xw, &yw, &ww, &hw) ;

        xorg  = xw + 20 ;
        yorg  = yw + 30 + (20 * scale) ;
        neg= -1 ;

        hide_mouse() ;    /* Function which hides mouse  */

        for (i = 0; i <= no_pts; i++)
        {
           do
           {
              graf_mkstate(&mx[i], &my[i], &mb1, &ks) ; /*  x,y mouse co-ords
 */

              if (oldx != mx[i] || oldy != my[i]) /*  update screen if changed
 */
              {
                sprintf(message,"X : %6.2f", ((mx[i]-xorg)/scale)) ;
                v_gtext(screen_vhandle, 500, 40, message) ;
                sprintf(message,"Y : %6.2f", ((my[i]-yorg)/scale)*neg) ;
                v_gtext(screen_vhandle, 500, 70, message) ;
                vswr_mode(screen_vhandle, MD_XOR) ;

/*     set up mouse form  */
                pts[0] = oldx ;
                pts[1] = oldy-5 ;
                pts[2] = oldx ;
                pts[3] = oldy+5 ;
                v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;
                pts[0] = oldx-5 ;
                pts[1] = oldy ;
                pts[2] = oldx+5 ;
                pts[3] = oldy ;
                v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;


                pts[0] = mx[i] ;
                pts[1] = my[i] - 5 ;
                pts[2] = mx[i] ;
                pts[3] = my[i] + 5 ;
                v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;
                pts[0] = mx[i] - 5 ;
                pts[1] = my[i] ;
                pts[2] = mx[i] + 5 ;
                pts[3] = my[i] ;
                v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;

                if (k_line && drop)
                {
                        pts[0] = mx[i-1] ;
                        pts[1] = my[i-1] ;
                        pts[2] = oldx ;
                        pts[3] = oldy ;
                        v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;
                        pts[0] = mx[i-1] ;
                        pts[1] = my[i-1] ;
                        pts[2] = mx[i] ;
                        pts[3] = my[i] ;
                        v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;

                }  /*  if  */
                vswr_mode(screen_vhandle, MD_REPLACE) ;
              }  /*  if  */

                oldx = mx[i] ;
                oldy = my[i] ;

           } while( mb1 <= 0 ) ;

           do
           {
               graf_mkstate(&mbx, &mby, &mb, &ks) ;

           } while( mb != 0 ) ;

           drop = TRUE ;

        }  /*  for  */

    vswr_mode(screen_vhandle, 3) ;
    pts[0] = oldx ;
    pts[1] = oldy-5 ;
    pts[2] = oldx ;
    pts[3] = oldy+5 ;
    v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;
    pts[0] = oldx-5 ;
    pts[1] = oldy ;
    pts[2] = oldx+5 ;
    pts[3] = oldy ;
    v_pline(screen_vhandle, 2, pts) ;

    show_mouse()  ;    /*  Function to show mouse  */
}   /*   drag_line   */

              --------------- Cut Here ---------------

Hope this is of some help.....


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Date: 12 Jun 91 12:45:09 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!uniwa!ermadm
 [e-mail] (Earth Resources Mapping)
Subject: RAM upgrade
To: [e-mail]

I have just started to build the 2meg upgrade board as posted
to the net and it looks great..

However, could some clever person explain how the pins on the
MMU are numbered so that I dont solder the extra address line
to the wrong place
Clive

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Date: 12 Jun 91 11:30:46 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!wagner![e-mail] (Chris Forker - Nav
 Arch-)
Subject: Rubber Bands
To: [e-mail]



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Date: 12 Jun 91 11:09:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math
 .fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!rwthinf!cip-s08![e-mail] (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: SED for ST?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (John Henders) writes:

>       Does anyone know if there is a sed clone for the ST? If so, where
>can I find a copy?

There's a sed incl. source in the distribution of the Okami Shell available
at the atari.archive. Look out for okami.lzh.

CU
\/\/olfram

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Date: 12 Jun 91 13:38:02 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintak
 a!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!lunic!my!luth![e-mail] (Niklas Grip)
Subject: Z-RAM made my drive go nuts! WHY!!?? CORRECTION.
To: [e-mail]

I have upgraded my 1040 STFM to 4 megabytes with Z-RAM.  My ST was one of those
with soldered MMU-chip, so I let a proffessional do it for me.  When I got my
ST back I ran the test program. Geee, four megabytes and no complaints!  I
started to install Neodesk 3, reads files from one disk and started writing on
another.  Then suddenly the drive starts making noise.  It sounds as if the
drives' motor tries to move the head right through the side of the machine.
Two dialog boxes explains that the drive does not answer and that the disk is
full, although it has 800 kilobytes free!!! A couple of minutes later I con-
clude that MY DRIVE READS AND FORMATS DISKS IN ALL POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS OF
SECTORS AND TRACKS, TWISTED AND NOT TWISTED, FROM GEM, FROM NEODESK 2.05 AND
FROM ALL PROGAMS THAT I HAVE BUT IT CANNOT WRITE MORE THAN A COUPLE OF KILO-
BYTES ON ANY DISK!!!

Now I am in desperate need of HELP!!!  The proffessional will do his best to
fix it, but it would probably go much faster if anyone have had this problem
before and can give me any clue where to start dig.  You cannot be to detailed.


DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF A FEW MINUTES EXPERIMENTING
===================================================
Equipment: 1040 STFM, monochrome monitor, Z-RAM and nothing more!

Inside Neodesk 2.05:
Trying to write to an empty disk formated before memory upgrade.
Drive writes some 10 K, makes noise, dialog boxes sais: Drive not responding.
                                                        Disk full.
I cancel writing, "Show info..." sais more than 800 K free.

Same test and same result again a couple of times.
Formats disk in different ways, same test, same result.
Try to load First Word +, Neodesk responds:

  An address error has occured (3 bombs).

  System register:

  d0: 00000800  a0: 000030C2
  d1: FFFF0F0F  a1: 00008092
  d2: 00000027  a2: 00000000
  d3: 00000000  a3: 0005DF08
  d4: 00000000  a4: 0000313A
  d5: 00000000  a5: EB7E4A11
  d6: 00000006  a6: 000015E2
  d7: 00000006  a7: 00001592

  ssp: 00001592
  usp: 00060A40
  instr: 3D6D
  sr: 2300={t:0 s:1 interrupt: 011 x:0 n:0 z:0 v:0 c:0}
  pc: 00FC60EA

I pressed return, a fourth bomb showed up, all went black and the computer
rebooted.
I started Neodesk 2.05 again and then loaded 1st Word +, no problems!
Loaded a rather large document, changed to empty disk and tried to save.
Disk wrote some 10 seconds, then made that uggly noise again followed by
dialog boxes telling drive don't answer and (the empty) disk full.
I cancelled. Drive made noise, same boxes. Cancelled again etc.

I reset the computer, made the 1st Word + test again from GEM, computer
loads program and behaves as before.

Loaded Calamus (from Neodesk), played around a little.  Rubberband boxes some-
times leave sides of the box unerased when changing size, in a way I never have
seen before.  "Show statistics" tell me that I have 3.3 meg free.
Suddenly... 2 bombs! Crash is so hard that even Neodesk got stuck (never
happened before).

I GIVE UP.

UPDATE:  A few hours later I made another test:  I tried copying files to a
         ram-disk (in GEM) and my ST bombed again.  I restarted with the on/off
         button and tried again a couple of times.  Each time two files were
         copied and then either one or two bombs showed up.

CORRECTION: Sorry, in the last sentence I mean ...either two or three
            bombs showed up.
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